I agree with Carl. It sounds like the OHIE community is in need of the –architecture list now and then we can create an -implementation list when the need becomes
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Hi Paul,
I think you nailed the names. I’d be happy to start with the -architecture list for now and as our implementations grow to more than 2 we can spool up the -implementers list.
Cheers,
Carl
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Paul Biondich pbiondic@regenstrief.org wrote:
In my experience, there’s a distinct need for implementation support, but not clear how much traffic that’d get yet.
That’s pretty distinct from what I’ve always envisioned as a openhie-architecture list. 
So, IMO, this conversation implies to me that:
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We’re growing
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It’s probably time to go ahead and set up the -implementers and -architecture mailing lists.
What’s even better, is that this came from you all.
Everyone agree to move forward with both?
Here’s the great thing about being agile: if those mailing lists seem like too much, or don’t get appropriate traffic, we can just get rid of them later.
Best,
-Paul
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Ryan Crichton ryan@jembi.org wrote:
Hi all,
As Derek pointed out our initial concern was that we need a forum to discuss the technical issue involving multiple sub-communities. This would be for handling things like discussion of the transaction OpenHIE should support as a whole
and other cross-cutting concerns between sub-communities. However, I also see the need for a place where implementers can bring their problems and questions to the table. These are two separate issues in my eyes.
@Scott, Github issues could work for discussing technical issues. I’d be happy to give that a try.
Cheers,
Ryan
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Scott Teesdale steesdale@instedd.org wrote:
+1 for an implementers list/group to help with coordination. I think as more locations express interest and start with an aspect of the sub-communities, organizing and coordinating between groups and will continue to grow as an issue.
Is there also potentially a need for a larger conversation around architecture and technical issues involving multiple OHIE sub-communities, that would be separate from coordinating implementation? This might be where github would be helpful.
From my experience, coordinating implementations is largely about managing a network of types of actors/stakeholders, timelines and processes where as cross-cutting technical concerns can benefit from open dialogues of content area experts to make recommendations
on best practices to be carried out in implementations.
Best,
Scott
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Carl Fourie carl@jembi.org wrote:
I think that is a good question to raise, maybe an “implementers” list is a grouping term for what I see being asked. Some of the scenarios I would like to see are:
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Users are interested in getting started with the OHIE and not quite sure which community is for them?
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Where do we ask questions that may require multiple tools to be used to get the best fit (the Zimbabwe is a good example of an implementation that may span 3 communities)
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How-to’s and discussions around getting the OHIE towards a rapidly deployable system not just a set of deployable tools
Just my 2c
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Shaun Grannis sgrannis@gmail.com wrote:
+1 Carl/Ryan
In addition to implementation discussions, do we anticipate other types of cross-cutting issues?
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Carl Fourie carl@jembi.org wrote:
I’m agreeing with Ryan’s comments. I would venture to say we may want something along the lines of “ohie-implementers” that could field the discussions around the entire implementation process and the spinn off aspects from there.
Cheers,
Carl
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Ryan Crichton ryan@jembi.org wrote:
Hi Jamie,
I think that number 1 would be the best option. Currently it seems to me that the purpose of the OpenHIE Leads list is for communication between just the community leads so perhaps it should be a closed list. Also its naming suggests that
it should only be used by OpenHIE community leads and perhaps prevents others from joining. A second more open list could be created for more general OpenHIE discussion and others external to the OpenHIE project could join this as well if they would like to
participate or have an interest in the OpenHIE project as a whole.
Currently, I don’t see a list there that we can use for those sort of discussions.
Cheers,
Ryan
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Thomas, Jamie jt48@regenstrief.org wrote:
I would like to ask whether we need another mailing list for cross-cutting concerns or whether we want to use one
that already exists? Who would be in this group? Is it the same group of people on the OHIE Leads list? Here are the mailing lists we currently use:
·
OpenHIE Announcements - This is a low volume (read: 1-3 emails a month), high membership list for people interested in following the progress of the OpenHIE community as a whole
(Open List w/ moderation)
·
OpenHIE Leads - T his group is made up of the subcommunity leads (e.g., Client Registry, Facility Registry, Provider Registry, Terminology Service, Shared Health Record, Interoperability Layer) who are operationally
focused and working to spearhead the development of each OpenHIE subcommunity. (Open List)
·
Subcommunity Mailing List - Client Registry, Facility Registry, Provider Registry, Terminology Service, Shared Health Record, Interoperability Layer
(All Open Lists)
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Other Mailing Lists – IHE Standards, Sandbox (Open List)
I wonder whether…
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We want to create a working group mailing list for cross-cutting concerns and make the OHIE Leads mailing list closed.
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We want to keep the OHIE Leads mailing list open for anyone to join and have cross-cutting concerns posted there so topics can be brought directly to the leads and discussions can be had on monthly OHIE Lead
calls.
Thoughts?
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The FR community have also found it helpful to use Github to detail and discuss specific technical issues or questions while maintaining an open and documented dialogue. (See: FRED
API Github repository) May be a useful mechanism in this case as well.
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Eduardo Jezierski edjez@instedd.org wrote:
+1 to the concept, and need, of a cross-cutting discussion list.
On Jun 19, 2013, at 1:51 AM, Ryan Crichton ryan@jembi.org wrote:
Hi,
I’m just copying Chris’s response to the OpenHIE leadership group as it bounced due to permission. (I think the fact that we are struggling to find a mailing list to bring these
cross-cutting concerns on shows that we need some sort of overall OpenHIE mailing list )
Ryan
From Chris Ford:
I think the creation of a mailing list to discuss OpenHIE as a whole is really important.
To me, the value proposition of OpenHIE is that it will be an integrated whole with great “usability” for implementing
countries. The core of OpenHIE being less about the individual components and much more about the interactions between them, and I think we should reflect that in our internal communications.
The two issues Ryan mentioned are good examples of a need for alignment across OpenHIE. Here are some others that
have come up in calls I’ve been on:
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Deployment and operations - how will we get this thing into production, and keep it up once it’s there? What might production look like e.g. cloud, hosted by country etc.
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Who are our target audience?
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What are the use cases for the system (as opposed to individual components)?
·
What will the shared protocols between components look like? SOAP, REST, something else?
Some of these questions have been asked on individual communities, and been given helpful answers by OpenHIE leadership,
but without a central mailing list to distribute the responses, the questions are going to come up again and again.
The interoperability layer community has talked about some of these challenges, but they are genuinely cross-cutting
concerns that need to be baked into all the constituant parts of the system, and can’t be solved at a single point.
Cheers,
Chris
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Chris Ford christophertford@gmail.com wrote:
I think the creation of a mailing list to discuss OpenHIE as a whole is really important.
To me, the value proposition of OpenHIE is that it will be an integrated whole with great “usability” for implementing countries. The core of OpenHIE being less about the individual
components and much more about the interactions between them, and I think we should reflect that in our internal communications.
The two issues Ryan mentioned are good examples of a need for alignment across OpenHIE. Here are some others that have come up in calls I’ve been on:
- Deployment and operations - how will we get this thing into production, and keep it up once it’s there? What might production look like e.g. cloud, hosted by country etc.
- Who are our target audience?
- What are the use cases for the system (as opposed to individual components)?
- What will the shared protocols between components look like? SOAP, REST, something else?
Some of these questions have been asked on individual communities, and been given helpful answers by OpenHIE leadership, but without a central mailing list to distribute the responses,
the questions are going to come up again and again.
The interoperability layer community has talked about some of these challenges, but they are genuinely cross-cutting concerns that need to be baked into all the constituant parts
of the system, and can’t be solved at a single point.
Cheers,
Chris
On 14 June 2013 17:48, Ryan Crichton ryan@jembi.org wrote:
Hi all,
Over the past few weeks few weeks in the Interoperability Layer community and the Shared Health Record community we have been feeling like there is need for some overall coordination
discussions within OpenHIE. Currently there isn’t a forum to bring up some overall coordination concerns that we have identified. Perhaps, there is space for creating a OpenHIE coordination mailing list to discuss these sort of concerns.
For example, here are some of the items that we would want to bring up in such a group:
- We believe that we need to come up with some overall definition of how the components that make up OpenHIE are expected to work together. Ie. what use cases can OpenHIE expect to support as a whole, what interaction between the different components is expected
and should be supported. We think this is essential to ensuring that we all develop or specify interfaces that are in line with our overall goal.
- Discussion has emerged around whether we should focus efforts into whether components should be able to be deployed standalone or is it expected that most of the time these components will be deployed within the greater OpenHIE architecture so the priority
would be to aim for this sort of configuration.
Please let me know what you think about creating this sort of group and also what you think of the two issues I have raised here.
Thanks,
Ryan
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