HI. Thank you for great dialog last week. I have a follow up question:
Do LMIC countries implement LIMS systems that are focused on the health supply chain or are these systems more broadly focused?
The answer to this may provide some insight into how we conceptually depict relationships.
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On Apr 13, 2018, at 1:51 PM, Derek Ritz <derek.ritz@ecgroupinc.com<mailto:derek.ritz@ecgroupinc.com>> wrote:
Hi all.
I must admit that I’m worried about scope creep. I agree with Chris and Alpha that trying to embody the entirety of supply chain management into our HIE architecture might be biting off more (way more!) than we can chew. I think we’re better served to appropriately treat the entire supply chain domain as a full architecture and technology stack in its own right and, instead, look for where/how health transactions connect with and relate to supply chain transactions.
Doing such a mapping between health transactions and supply chain transactions will require that certain master data elements can be related to each other. The most obvious of these are “locations” and “items”. For the first – this will mean we’ll need to be able to get the GLN (or whatever ID# the SCM side is using) for each of our facilities in the ILR. And for the latter, we’ll need to be able to map the meds referenced in a “dispense” transaction to the GTINs for these products. Similarly, we can imply consumption of commodities in our labs based on the execution of certain lab tests and the consumption of med/surg commodities during surgeries (or the consumption of medical devices, if these were implanted)… and so on.
This gets more complicated the deeper we decide to go. Happily, however, the first basic maps we develop could yield significant benefits pretty much right away. In SCM, generally – and particularly in how SCM is applied in the manufacturing sector – there is a concept called backflushing. Backflushing is were we take a transaction that is relatively easy to track and measure and imply from it a whole family of transactions that also must have occurred. For example if we manufacture little red wagons, each one of these that rolls off the assembly line “backflushes” the consumption of 4 wheels, 2 axles, one red box and one handle.
I think it might be smart to look for the data maps we’d need to support in order to allow us to support backflushing; in order for us to imply inventory transactions from healthcare events we will have recorded in our SHR, for example. Doing this would focus us on one key piece of the SCM puzzle: the consumption transactions. There will have to be, of course, replenishment and physical stock keeping and logistic network planning and all sorts of other things… but this whole inventory ecosystem doesn’t all need to be in OpenHIE. Or not yet, at least.
I’m very interested to know what others think of such an approach (and the narrower scope it implies).
Warmest regards,
Derek
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Yep, and to clarify I wasn’t suggesting that the “Product Registry" and “Terminology Service” are the same pieces of the software (e.g. the Product Registry needs to support the relevant GS1 standards, for example) but they are perhaps more similar than different in their functionality.
Cheers,
-carl
On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Chris Wright <chris_wright@jsi.com<mailto:chris_wright@jsi.com>> wrote:
Hi Carl.
Product registry may or may not be related to terminology; it is a list of products registered for use by the national drug regulatory authority. It might also include medical equipment. This serves as a single source of truth for warehouse management systems, procurement shstems, meidical asset inventory systems, EMR meds dispensing modules, and LMIS. It might be housed in an HIE terminology registry.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 14:40 Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com<mailto:litlfred@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Chris
These look good. One suggestion is that we combine the "registry of products” with the “registry of health terms” under the "terminology service.” Note that there are already things within the terminology service that are not disease classifications (e.g. ICD-10 codes). For example, it often includes the list of health worker cadres.
Cheers,
-carl
On Apr 12, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Chris Wright <chris_wright@jsi.com<mailto:chris_wright@jsi.com>> wrote:
I'm sorry to say that I'll miss this next meeting as I will be on leave and off line next week.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Shivers, Jennifer Ellen <jeshiver@regenstrief.org<mailto:jeshiver@regenstrief.org>> wrote:
To: OHIE Supply Chain Community
At out last meeting, it was determined that a small group would begin to sketch out how supply chain system actors might fit with the OpenHIE architecture. As we being to frame this discussion for our next meeting on 20-April at 11:00 am EST, I wanted to share these sketches with you so that you have time to comment and provide input on possible alternative views. Please keep in mind that the OpenHIE diagram is meant to represent a logical view of how the components interact at a high-level. We find that logical and physical diagrams for projects may differ in placement of systems like HIMS. (Note that placement of applications like DHIS2 (HMIS) may depicted both above and below the interoperability layer - see diagram here<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/documents/OpenHIE+Architecture>.)
With that frame for the OpenHIE architecture diagram in mind, here are rough sketches of two possibilities for including the supply chain components:
1) See slide two<https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1It4Tl5opLz4s5NLFBJUQPApwpNrKlzQm5ydt4SGMo9I/edit#slide=id.g3727f4a99f_0_44>
2) See slide three<https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1It4Tl5opLz4s5NLFBJUQPApwpNrKlzQm5ydt4SGMo9I/edit#slide=id.g3727f4a99f_0_44>
The rest of the slides depict how the descriptions for the system actors were defined and possible data exchange needs.
We look forward to discussing your views of how you see the system actors fitting into the OHIE architecture on the next call.
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