Thanks Scott, Bob & Derek.
Bob, the concern emanates from the huge number of facilities that we have in India and if government pays of all this, it will become huge expenditure every year- growing with increase in cost by GS-1. This is something that is creating discomfort. Thought the private insurance regulator is using GS1 to code hospitals which are part of the provider network but that number is less- only 40 thousand hospitals enrolled into it. In the current facility registry efforts in India we have listed around 0.2 million public facilities and this number is growing day by day.
Derek, I am not sure how the cost is being formally by GS1- but as per my last discussion with them I came to know that with current number of facilities in our facility registry it is going to cost roughly 15 million USD annually. The cost is not constant and will increase per facility over a period of time. If I take all facilities both public and private the expenditure only on facility identification could be huge and may not be sustainable in long run.
Yes Scott, We are building facility registry in India- its called National
Identification Number to Health Facilities. I will share the details in the next mail. More than anything else we are trying to standardize the processes within government for enlisting health facilities so that this effort can sustain over a period of time.
Best Regards,
Amit
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Amit Mishra <dr.amitmishra@gmail.com >: Feb 25 09:59AM +0530 Dear Scott,Greetings!
My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying
money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or
not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate
facility IDs even within country.
Please clarify.
Regards,
Amit
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Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org >: Feb 24 11:08PM -0600 Hi Amit,I am a bit new to GLNs but we had a nice conversation on the topic last
week during our community meeting. What we discussed though is that GLNs
arn’t proprietary; but there likely would be other costs associated with
implementing the standard. The associated GS1 standard has a more
supply-chain focus - with the ability to nest equipment, in rooms, behind
doors, in wards, inside a facility… To date this is a much more
granular type of spatial identification than facility registries have
used… but if a supply chain system was using them - a FR could certainly
seek to integrate on that ID to promote interoperability.
In general though the luhn algorithm approach is a lighter touch way to
identifying sites - and likely fits most common facility registry
scenarios.
Amit - are you working on setting up a facility registry in India? We
would love to learn more about your work. Thanks for joining our group!
- Scott
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Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com >: Feb 25 12:20PM Hello AmitI haven’t followed the discussion too closely, but I would have to agree
with your concern. It wouldn’t make sense to have to pay GS1 in order to
identify your own facilities. Its a question of sovereignty and a
dangerous route to travel. Mind you I would have similar concerns over the
use of SNOMED-CT - which GOI has been happy to pay for
Bob
Derek Ritz <derek.ritz@gmail.com >: Feb 25 03:27PM -0500 Hi all.I think we should be very clear – the GLN is *not *a proprietary
specification. The extra costs that are being referred to need to
identified and evaluated; I’ll be surprised if they are not simply
implementation-related (which is the case whether GLN or any other ID
scheme is being deployed).
What we should be equally clear about is that there is significant value in
ecosystems… it is from these that we enjoy the all-important "network
effect". Ecosystems are not free; it takes a lot of effort and cost and
ongoing nurturing for an ecosystem to thrive. Where there already *are
*ecosystems
– such as GS1 and their GLN database – it is smart for us to want to
“join” them and to leverage the value that has already been created there.
Scott – have I correctly captured the gist of your earlier points? Sorry
if I have not…
Warmest regards,
Derek.
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Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org >: Feb 25 04:24PM -0600 Hi Derek - Yes I think you hit the nail on the head.Best,
Scott
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