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Dear Scott,

Greetings!

My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.

Please clarify.

Regards,

Amit

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    2 Updates


Supporting GLNs and GS1

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800




    Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of

the key notes that might be helpful.

  • The standard isn’t proprietary, but can have some costs to implement

of course

  • GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that

would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key

components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying

nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -

likely overkill for your wells and osm example.

  • It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have

used for other facility registry things.

  • It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,

to promote interoperability and other uses… but some additional

exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to

consider.

Here is some helpful links as well…

Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For

example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.

Best,

Scott

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Facility Registry Meeting - February 23

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800




    Hi All,

We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at

11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:

  • Implementation Updates and Q/A?

  • GLN’s and GS1

  • Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.

  • Site-level Planning and Facility Registries

  • AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off

of who can join the call.

We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our

notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link

<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)

Best,

Scott

      Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com        >: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500




    Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all

later.

Cheers,

-carl

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Dr. Amit Mishra

Project Lead
Centre for Health Informatics
Ministry of Health & Family Welfare

NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067

Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com

Hi Amit,

I am a bit new to GLNs but we had a nice conversation on the topic last week during our community meeting. What we discussed though is that GLNs arn’t proprietary; but there likely would be other costs associated with implementing the standard. The associated GS1 standard has a more supply-chain focus - with the ability to nest equipment, in rooms, behind doors, in wards, inside a facility… To date this is a much more granular type of spatial identification than facility registries have used… but if a supply chain system was using them - a FR could certainly seek to integrate on that ID to promote interoperability.

In general though the luhn algorithm approach is a lighter touch way to identifying sites - and likely fits most common facility registry scenarios.

Amit - are you working on setting up a facility registry in India? We would love to learn more about your work. Thanks for joining our group!

  • Scott
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Amit Mishra dr.amitmishra@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Scott,

Greetings!

My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.

Please clarify.

Regards,

Amit

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NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067

Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com

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Supporting GLNs and GS1

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800




    Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of

the key notes that might be helpful.

  • The standard isn’t proprietary, but can have some costs to implement

of course

  • GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that

would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key

components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying

nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -

likely overkill for your wells and osm example.

  • It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have

used for other facility registry things.

  • It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,

to promote interoperability and other uses… but some additional

exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to

consider.

Here is some helpful links as well…

Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For

example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.

Best,

Scott

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Facility Registry Meeting - February 23

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800




    Hi All,

We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at

11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:

  • Implementation Updates and Q/A?

  • GLN’s and GS1

  • Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.

  • Site-level Planning and Facility Registries

  • AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off

of who can join the call.

We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our

notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link

<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)

Best,

Scott

      Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com        >: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500




    Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all

later.

Cheers,

-carl

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Hello Amit

I haven’t followed the discussion too closely, but I would have to agree with your concern. It wouldn’t make sense to have to pay GS1 in order to identify your own facilities. Its a question of sovereignty and a dangerous route to travel. Mind you I would have similar concerns over the use of SNOMED-CT - which GOI has been happy to pay for :slight_smile:

Bob

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On 25 February 2017 at 04:29, Amit Mishra dr.amitmishra@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Scott,

Greetings!

My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.

Please clarify.

Regards,

Amit

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Ministry of Health & Family Welfare

NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067

Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com

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Supporting GLNs and GS1

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800




    Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of

the key notes that might be helpful.

  • The standard isn’t proprietary, but can have some costs to implement

of course

  • GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that

would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key

components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying

nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -

likely overkill for your wells and osm example.

  • It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have

used for other facility registry things.

  • It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,

to promote interoperability and other uses… but some additional

exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to

consider.

Here is some helpful links as well…

Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For

example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.

Best,

Scott

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Facility Registry Meeting - February 23

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800




    Hi All,

We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at

11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:

  • Implementation Updates and Q/A?

  • GLN’s and GS1

  • Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.

  • Site-level Planning and Facility Registries

  • AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off

of who can join the call.

We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our

notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link

<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)

Best,

Scott

      Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com        >: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500




    Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all

later.

Cheers,

-carl

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Hi all.

I think we should be very clear – the GLN is not a proprietary specification. The extra costs that are being referred to need to identified and evaluated; I’ll be surprised if they are not simply implementation-related (which is the case whether GLN or any other ID scheme is being deployed).

What we should be equally clear about is that there is significant value in ecosystems… it is from these that we enjoy the all-important “network effect”. Ecosystems are not free; it takes a lot of effort and cost and ongoing nurturing for an ecosystem to thrive. Where there already are ecosystems – such as GS1 and their GLN database – it is smart for us to want to “join” them and to leverage the value that has already been created there.

Scott – have I correctly captured the gist of your earlier points? Sorry if I have not…

Warmest regards,

Derek.

···

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Amit

I haven’t followed the discussion too closely, but I would have to agree with your concern. It wouldn’t make sense to have to pay GS1 in order to identify your own facilities. Its a question of sovereignty and a dangerous route to travel. Mind you I would have similar concerns over the use of SNOMED-CT - which GOI has been happy to pay for :slight_smile:

Bob

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On 25 February 2017 at 04:29, Amit Mishra dr.amitmishra@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Scott,

Greetings!

My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.

Please clarify.

Regards,

Amit

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Centre for Health Informatics
Ministry of Health & Family Welfare

NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067

Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com

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    2 Updates


Supporting GLNs and GS1

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800




    Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of

the key notes that might be helpful.

  • The standard isn’t proprietary, but can have some costs to implement

of course

  • GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that

would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key

components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying

nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -

likely overkill for your wells and osm example.

  • It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have

used for other facility registry things.

  • It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,

to promote interoperability and other uses… but some additional

exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to

consider.

Here is some helpful links as well…

Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For

example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.

Best,

Scott

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:37:21 PM UTC-6, mlberg wrote:
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Facility Registry Meeting - February 23

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800




    Hi All,

We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at

11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:

  • Implementation Updates and Q/A?

  • GLN’s and GS1

  • Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.

  • Site-level Planning and Facility Registries

  • AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off

of who can join the call.

We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our

notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link

<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)

Best,

Scott

      Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com        >: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500




    Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all

later.

Cheers,

-carl

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Hi Derek - Yes I think you hit the nail on the head.

Best,

Scott

···

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Derek Ritz derek.ritz@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all.

I think we should be very clear – the GLN is not a proprietary specification. The extra costs that are being referred to need to identified and evaluated; I’ll be surprised if they are not simply implementation-related (which is the case whether GLN or any other ID scheme is being deployed).

What we should be equally clear about is that there is significant value in ecosystems… it is from these that we enjoy the all-important “network effect”. Ecosystems are not free; it takes a lot of effort and cost and ongoing nurturing for an ecosystem to thrive. Where there already are ecosystems – such as GS1 and their GLN database – it is smart for us to want to “join” them and to leverage the value that has already been created there.

Scott – have I correctly captured the gist of your earlier points? Sorry if I have not…

Warmest regards,

Derek.

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Amit

I haven’t followed the discussion too closely, but I would have to agree with your concern. It wouldn’t make sense to have to pay GS1 in order to identify your own facilities. Its a question of sovereignty and a dangerous route to travel. Mind you I would have similar concerns over the use of SNOMED-CT - which GOI has been happy to pay for :slight_smile:

Bob

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On 25 February 2017 at 04:29, Amit Mishra dr.amitmishra@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Scott,

Greetings!

My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.

Please clarify.

Regards,

Amit

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NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067

Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com

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Supporting GLNs and GS1

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800




    Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of

the key notes that might be helpful.

  • The standard isn’t proprietary, but can have some costs to implement

of course

  • GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that

would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key

components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying

nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -

likely overkill for your wells and osm example.

  • It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have

used for other facility registry things.

  • It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,

to promote interoperability and other uses… but some additional

exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to

consider.

Here is some helpful links as well…

Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For

example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.

Best,

Scott

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:37:21 PM UTC-6, mlberg wrote:
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Facility Registry Meeting - February 23

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800




    Hi All,

We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at

11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:

  • Implementation Updates and Q/A?

  • GLN’s and GS1

  • Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.

  • Site-level Planning and Facility Registries

  • AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off

of who can join the call.

We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our

notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link

<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)

Best,

Scott

      Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com        >: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500




    Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all

later.

Cheers,

-carl

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Skype: scott.teesdale

Social: Twitter / LinkedIn

The costs to issue GLNs seem to vary by country, and may require joining the GS1 country office:

http://www.gs1.org/contact/overview
The type of membership required depends on factors such as the number of locations and annual revenue.

As an example, you can see the fee schedule for joining GS1 Australia here:

https://www.gs1au.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2147485587

which shows an annual fee up to $15k, and here is a fee schedule for Tanzania:

http://www.gs1tz.org/Registration%20Form.pdf

which looks like it is up to $25k annually.

Note also that there is “special” pricing for healthcare in Canada.

http://www.gs1ca.org/pages/n/Subscription/

Not sure if these extends elsewhere, but here is more info:

http://www.gs1.org/docs/healthcare/GLN_Healthcare_Imp_Guide.pdf

Cheers,

-carl

···

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Derek Ritz derek.ritz@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all.

I think we should be very clear – the GLN is not a proprietary specification. The extra costs that are being referred to need to identified and evaluated; I’ll be surprised if they are not simply implementation-related (which is the case whether GLN or any other ID scheme is being deployed).

What we should be equally clear about is that there is significant value in ecosystems… it is from these that we enjoy the all-important “network effect”. Ecosystems are not free; it takes a lot of effort and cost and ongoing nurturing for an ecosystem to thrive. Where there already are ecosystems – such as GS1 and their GLN database – it is smart for us to want to “join” them and to leverage the value that has already been created there.

Scott – have I correctly captured the gist of your earlier points? Sorry if I have not…

Warmest regards,

Derek.

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Amit

I haven’t followed the discussion too closely, but I would have to agree with your concern. It wouldn’t make sense to have to pay GS1 in order to identify your own facilities. Its a question of sovereignty and a dangerous route to travel. Mind you I would have similar concerns over the use of SNOMED-CT - which GOI has been happy to pay for :slight_smile:

Bob

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On 25 February 2017 at 04:29, Amit Mishra dr.amitmishra@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Scott,

Greetings!

My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.

Please clarify.

Regards,

Amit

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NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067

Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com

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Supporting GLNs and GS1

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800




    Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of

the key notes that might be helpful.

  • The standard isn’t proprietary, but can have some costs to implement

of course

  • GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that

would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key

components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying

nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -

likely overkill for your wells and osm example.

  • It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have

used for other facility registry things.

  • It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,

to promote interoperability and other uses… but some additional

exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to

consider.

Here is some helpful links as well…

Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For

example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.

Best,

Scott

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:37:21 PM UTC-6, mlberg wrote:
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Facility Registry Meeting - February 23

      Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org        >: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800




    Hi All,

We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at

11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:

  • Implementation Updates and Q/A?

  • GLN’s and GS1

  • Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.

  • Site-level Planning and Facility Registries

  • AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off

of who can join the call.

We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our

notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link

<https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)

Best,

Scott

      Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com        >: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500




    Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all

later.

Cheers,

-carl

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Hi Carl, Thanks for the clarification on the country level fee’s - that is super helpful.

Amit, sounds like there isn’t a strong reason for you to use the GS1 at this point - would you agree? Seems as though the Luhn / check-digit approach to identifying facilities makes the most sense. We would be curious which direction you ultimately decide to go.

Best,
Scott

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On Feb 27, 2017, 9:05 PM +0630, Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com>, wrote:

The costs to issue GLNs seem to vary by country, and may require joining the GS1 country office:
http://www.gs1.org/contact/overview
The type of membership required depends on factors such as the number of locations and annual revenue.

As an example, you can see the fee schedule for joining GS1 Australia here:
https://www.gs1au.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2147485587
which shows an annual fee up to $15k, and here is a fee schedule for Tanzania:
http://www.gs1tz.org/Registration%20Form.pdf
which looks like it is up to $25k annually.

Note also that there is “special” pricing for healthcare in Canada.
http://www.gs1ca.org/pages/n/Subscription/
Not sure if these extends elsewhere, but here is more info:
http://www.gs1.org/docs/healthcare/GLN_Healthcare_Imp_Guide.pdf

Cheers,
-carl

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Derek - Yes I think you hit the nail on the head.
>
> Best,
> Scott
>
> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Derek Ritz <derek.ritz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all.
> > >
> > > I think we should be very clear -- the GLN is not a proprietary specification. The extra costs that are being referred to need to identified and evaluated; I'll be surprised if they are not simply implementation-related (which is the case whether GLN or any other ID scheme is being deployed).
> > >
> > > What we should be equally clear about is that there is significant value in ecosystems... it is from these that we enjoy the all-important "network effect". Ecosystems are not free; it takes a lot of effort and cost and ongoing nurturing for an ecosystem to thrive. Where there already are ecosystems -- such as GS1 and their GLN database -- it is smart for us to want to "join" them and to leverage the value that has already been created there.
> > >
> > > Scott -- have I correctly captured the gist of your earlier points? Sorry if I have not...
> > >
> > > Warmest regards,
> > >
> > > Derek.
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hello Amit
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't followed the discussion too closely, but I would have to agree with your concern. It wouldn't make sense to have to pay GS1 in order to identify your own facilities. Its a question of sovereignty and a dangerous route to travel. Mind you I would have similar concerns over the use of SNOMED-CT - which GOI has been happy to pay for :slight_smile:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 25 February 2017 at 04:29, Amit Mishra <dr.amitmishra@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear Scott,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My name is Amit Mishra from India. I wanted to understand whether paying money every year to GS1 for health facility codes would be wise decision or not for any country. Since Luhn algorithm could be used to generate facility IDs even within country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please clarify.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Amit
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dr. Amit Mishra
> > > > > > > Project Lead
> > > > > > > Centre for Health Informatics
> > > > > > > Ministry of Health & Family Welfare
> > > > > > > NIHFW Campus, Baba Ganganath Marg l Munirka, New Delhi-110067
> > > > > > > Mobile: +91 9910011595 I E-mail: dr.amitmishra@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:54 AM, <facility-registry@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > facility-registry@googlegroups.com Google Groups
> > > > > > > > > Topic digest
> > > > > > > > > View all topics
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > • Supporting GLNs and GS1 - 1 Update
> > > > > > > > > • Facility Registry Meeting - February 23 - 2 Updates
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Supporting GLNs and GS1
> > > > > > > > > Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org>: Feb 23 11:28AM -0800
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Matt - we chatted about this today on our FR call. Here were a few of
> > > > > > > > > the key notes that might be helpful.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - The standard isn't proprietary, but can have some costs to implement
> > > > > > > > > of course
> > > > > > > > > - GS1 focuses on supply chain use cases, but there is nothing that
> > > > > > > > > would stop you from using a GLN for other types of nodes. One of the key
> > > > > > > > > components of it is that they are also commonly used for like identifying
> > > > > > > > > nursing stations, doors, or other more granular details within a location -
> > > > > > > > > likely overkill for your wells and osm example.
> > > > > > > > > - It uses a check digit approach similar to the luhn algorithm we have
> > > > > > > > > used for other facility registry things.
> > > > > > > > > - It seems easy enough to store this kind of ID in a facility registry,
> > > > > > > > > to promote interoperability and other uses... but some additional
> > > > > > > > > exploration about how they are created and managed would be important to
> > > > > > > > > consider.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is some helpful links as well...
> > > > > > > > > - http://www.gs1.org/docs/idkeys/GS1_Global_Location_Numbers.pdf
> > > > > > > > > - http://www.gs1.org/docs/healthcare/GLN_Healthcare_Imp_Guide.pdf
> > > > > > > > > - http://www.gs1.org/gln
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Matt what are some of the other alternatives you have come across? For
> > > > > > > > > example we chatted quickly about things like what3words as well today.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:37:21 PM UTC-6, mlberg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Back to top
> > > > > > > > > Facility Registry Meeting - February 23
> > > > > > > > > Scott Teesdale <steesdale@instedd.org>: Feb 23 07:33AM -0800
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We have a facility registry community call scheduled for today (Feb 23) at
> > > > > > > > > 11am ET or 6pm EAT. A few potential topics to discuss include:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Implementation Updates and Q/A?
> > > > > > > > > - GLN's and GS1
> > > > > > > > > - Facility Registries and Open Data Initiatives like OSM, HDX, etc.
> > > > > > > > > - Site-level Planning and Facility Registries
> > > > > > > > > - AOB - Bring your own updates / topics - we will prioritize based off
> > > > > > > > > of who can join the call.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We hope you are able to join, please see the linked details to access our
> > > > > > > > > notes and the google hangout for the meeting (link
> > > > > > > > > <https://wiki.ohie.org/display/resources/Feb+23%2C+2017+OHIE+FR+Meeting>)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > > > > Carl Leitner <litlfred@gmail.com>: Feb 23 11:04AM -0500
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sorry that I will be unavailable today. Hope to catch up with you all
> > > > > > > > > later.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > -carl
> > > > > > > > >
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