Hi Suranga et al.
Suranga, I think group A’s needs will be served by things like re-usable, pre-built API components (in java, .NET, etc.) and code examples that illustrate how to use these. No one should expect to develop code from scratch; there are mature open source frameworks (http://cdatools.org/, http://www.mohawkcollege.ca/ideaworks/MEDIC/Everest.html, etc.) and we need to point developers to these and perhaps even start to cultivate “job aids” re: how to use them. Also, the existing IHE documentation regarding actor “behaviours” is fundamentally important and, to be honest, we need to do a much better job of ensuring potential system developers leverage these assets. IHE puts a lot of effort into these document sets and we should not expect to spend time/money to duplicate them (rather, we should “inherit” them). Lastly, my sense is that this “dev” group will need a live lab environment to play around in and we should make it easy for them to connect to MEDIC, HEAL and COIL.
Group B needs scenarios and we have a rudimentary start on getting some of these documented (https://hingx.org/Share/Attachment/2552?fileName=Live%20Demonstration%20-%20Digital%20Health%20for%20Better%20Care%20The%20Maternal%20and%20Child%20Continuum%20of%20Care%20Scenario.pdf&folderID=null). I don’t really think that this group should be “owned” by any particular POS application. Rather, the scenarios should describe particular care delivery narratives in terms of their transactions and enable these to be walked through using any POS systems that can connect to the HIE and play the necessary role. Where group A focuses on all the transactions that an actor can do (an SHR or a CR or whatever)… group B focuses on the series of transactions and actors that are needed to tell a health story. We have a few POS systems that we’ve already demo’d using this scenario-based idea (e.g. OpenMRS, OSCAR, GIIS, DHIS2, RapidPro, etc.) but the potential list of participants includes every system that speaks the necessary IHE transactions (and this is a loooooong list; http://product-registry.ihe.net/PR/home.seam).
Sorry to be late to the party. I hope these comments are helpful.
Derek.
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Subject: Re: OpenHIE demo strategy: What’s your opinion?
Hi all,
Following up on this discussion-
(1) I can own group A; that can be my baby, and it’ll live on the OpenHIE demo environment. Work on this is finishing, and will be shared soon.
(2) Who owns group B, and where do they live? I’m assuming that someone from the OSCAR / OpenMRS communities will be responsible for their upkeep and management - but do they also belong in the OpenHIE demo environment? technically they could, but it would make the demo a bit crowded, to say the least
(3) Regarding group C, AKA Ryan Y’s group. If I understood correctly, we’re looking for a way to better understand how things happen under the hood inside the sandbox - but how is this different from the visualizer feature that already exists? are we talking specifically about a tool that offers performance stats? can you provide us with say a few sample scenarios on how we could/would use group C?
Best regards,
Suranga
Thanks and best regards,
Suranga Kasthurirathne
Regional Community manager (Asia-Pacific)
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:41 AM, Carl Fourie carl@jembi.org wrote:
Great summary all and I agree with Bob and Scott on the introduction of group c and prioritization of b over a for now (I think the more “b” asks for things and understand the more “a” will be asking for the information they really need to get the job done).
Regards
Carl Fourie
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Scott Teesdale steesdale@instedd.org wrote:
I would echo bob’s group C as being really important. And I would prioritize b, over a. Let us know if we can do anything to help here. Nice job Suranga.
On Mar 17, 2016, 5:31 AM +1100, Bob Jolliffe bobjolliffe@gmail.com, wrote:
Very good Suaranga.
Maybe its also worth considering there is a group © who are always
overlooked.
The ones who will manage the system, bring it to life in material form
and keep it going. CIOs, technical officers, sysadmins, network
admins etc
Groups (a) and (b) easily seduce one another, but they forget © and
things rapidly fall apart or don’t get started in the first place. I
suppose in a way the sandbox itself is the facilitator of this
seduction. Likes the systems-on-a-stick and demo systems of the past
which some folk will be familiar with from earlier WHO efforts. I
think probably the sandbox needs to also showcase itself (rather than
just the apps which are on it) in some way. To expose the hidden
labour of the likes of Ryan Yates and all.
To a group ©
On 16 March 2016 at 19:15, Suranga Kasthurirathne surangakas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I’ve been contemplating demo strategy based on what Carl proposed, and I
want to suggest the following -
Loosely, we can break our demo audience into two groups - (a) developers/low
level implementers who want to understand how the system works, and look at
its underbelly (transactions, messages etc) and (b) high level
implementers/ministry/officials etc. who want to understand the clinical
relevance/value/impact
For group (a): Something thats designed more as a guide - as a teaching /
training tool - something that can be used to visualize transactions / show
folks where things failed and how messages travel etc.
For group (b): We need demo’s using existing tools/applications, such as the
ones involving OSCAR and OpenMRS - tools that demonstrate clinical
relevance, and working use cases, and can directly plug and play with
OpenHIE.
What do people think?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Suranga Kasthurirathne surangakas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
Thanks Carl,
Firstly, I think I should apologize over my early statement on the
performance of the IOL. They were raised before, and the Ryan C + Hannes
combination fixed that issue very promptly. I cant guarantee this, but I
believe that the delay still exists because either the changes didn’t go
into the OpenHIE 1.0 release that we’re testing, or for some other reason…
But again, don’t take my word for this, I will re-check and confirm when
folks return to office on Monday.
I’ll take note of your comment that ‘the app should rather show how
OpenHIE is consumed by an existing application(s) (not a new build, but one
that is for low resource settings if possible’.
I’m waiting to hear more comments, and we’ll discuss them in more detail
once we hear more opinions
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Carl Fourie carl@jembi.org wrote:
Hi All
Thanks Suranga for “kicking the nest” here to get this going. We (Jembi)
have been thinking about this quite a bit and for sometime. I think
understanding fundamentally what we are trying to demonstrate is important.
I pretext this with the fact that I wan’t on the calls and have seen the
recordings. Suranga your POC demo seemed to focus on showing what OpenHIE
could provide to the POC - it was very focused at showing that you could get
information from OHIE but you had to know what it was you were looking at.
Personally I think we need to contextualize what OpenHIE provides within
a more clinical use case and show how it is / can be leveraged by tools
prevalent in the low resource settings environment within which we work. The
Mohawk demo/BALI demo/Maternal/RHEA/Medinfo2010 all focused around showing
how OHIE supports care and means that we can show just how OHIE impacts
health/clinical use cases. From our experiences in running the first demo
back in 2010 at Medinfo (learning from Mohawks team and their experiences) I
think the value that we had was that the tools that were shown could be
related to in the field systems and the “story” could be told that
highlighted OHIE’s (then RHEA/RHIE) deployment.
So again I come back to what are we wanting to demonstrate? I would
propose the following:
We need to have a sandbox which provides accessible data endpoints for
each of our OHIE workflows (that we have I believe – btw I want to better
understand why you think the IOL was the cause of the delay in your demo -
can we have a look at this? in our implementations we aren’t seeing it
responding that slowly and it is not a fair representation of the tool or
OHIE if it is doing that on our sandbox environment – please reach out to
us if this is the case we all need to succeed here). But more so we need to
guide people in following an illustrative use case for them to understand
how it all comes together. Right now you can maybe knock on OHIE to register
and resolve a patient but if we really want to show it we should say to ppl
if you consume XX endpoints you can see your system contributing to a
particular use case (maternal care for example). Having the wiring there is
one thing, we need to “juice” the system to make it meaningful.
Now all that on the page it brings us to “Demo App”.
My view is the app should rather show how OpenHIE is consumed by an
existing application(s) (not a new build, but one that is for low resource
settings if possible) in a particular workflow. We can focus on technical
documentation on “how to build your own app / link my app to OHIE”.
This is going to be a very valuable direction (if we are able to go this
way) as the implementer community comes to life as it will bring us down to
“real world” demonstrations.
Just my ZAR 0.02 and I hope it isn’t TLDR
Cheers
Regards
Carl Fourie
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Suranga Kasthurirathne surangak@openmrs.org wrote:
Hi all,
There has been some discussion on how OpenHIE as a community would like
to move forward with building / supporting demo systems.
During the sandbox call held on the 7th of March, Mohawk presented a
great demo of how the Oscar system integrated with OpenHIE. Prior to that, I
presented a separate demo POC app which was built from scratch (I.e. vendor
neutral).
During the meeting, we decided to discuss a common path ahead, and a
strategy of what we would like to see. To move this forward, i’d like to
hear your general input on the following:
Two very broad questions…
-
What is the purpose of the demo?
a. Help clinicians / implementers understand how the systems works
b. help implementers / devs understand how the interactions between
components work
c. Load / performance / application testing
-
How do we want to position this?
a. The demo app should be a neutral system that demonstrates how you can
built your own POC app
b. The demo app could be existing POC apps that are already used by
OpenHIE
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